Remove cautions from CRB checks
UNTIL A PERSON IS TRIED AND FOUND GUILTY OF AN OFFENCE IN A COURT OF LAW THEY DO NOT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD AND AS SUCH ANY CAUTIONS (ADMINISTERED BY THE POLICE) OR MALICIOUS HEARSAY REPORTED TO THE POLICE MUST BE OMMITTED FROM CRB CHECKS.
PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE BEING DESTROYED.
See my previous submitted idea which appears to be supported in part by an ex-policeman posting on www.closeprotectionworld.co.uk/. He, posting as Prometheus, writes:
"I'm afraid to say that when I was a copper it was customary to bluff first time offenders that the caution was no big deal, the practice was institutionalised in my force. We would often disuade them from having a solicitor by making some laim excuse that the duty solicitor was delayed and they would have to go back into their cell. The detained person would usually agree to be interviewed without legal representation. They could even be bluffed into confessessing by implying the police had more evidence that they actually did. When respectable people admit to a minor offence and receive a caution I do not believe they understand the gravity of it. Another bad practice is arresting someone knowing very well at the point of arrest there is not a realistic prospect of charge or conviction. There is a stated case on this Plange v Chief Constable Humberside Police 1992. The bottom line is that the goverment have erroded a Constable's discretionary power in which they are pressured to arrest and get a result. All this unethical and unlawful behaviour is as a result of interference by our politcial masters at the Home Office.
"I would strongly advise legal assistance at all times as the Police service are operating some sharp practices these days".
Mark"
UNTIL A PERSON IS TRIED AND FOUND GUILTY OF AN OFFENCE IN A COURT OF LAW THEY DO NOT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD AND AS SUCH ANY CAUTIONS (ADMINISTERED BY THE POLICE) OR MALICIOUS HEARSAY REPORTED TO THE POLICE MUST BE OMMITTED FROM CRB CHECKS. PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE BEING DESTROYED.
Individuals who were cautioned by the police are left with a long life sentence without employment prospects when many of these individuals do not deserve such harsh sentences for a very minute mistake which some of this mistakes were probably made by politicians at one point in their lives. The difference is they have never got caught. Why should individuals who committed such minor offences should be given life sentences in an open society? I would rather be given prison sentences because at least in prison I have work to do and purpose to live. This society reminds me of the medieval times where offenders were harshly punished for petty offences. What is the difference in our society today? To retain cautions indefinitely for petty offences is to mentally torture those who wish to move on with their lives and make a difference in society but instead many will be registering under the Mental Health Act for mental related illnesses.
I have 3 cautions on my crb due to.domestic violence i felt like rubbish and wanted to get into.trouble. I am.now working as a hlta teaching assistant through supply but my crb is stopping me getting a permenant position as i have interviews and all.goes well.they offer me the job. Then when they see my crb they reject me sayjng its their rule need clean crb i tell them why its so.unfair n really upsets me i give up then bounce back because i dont like giving up.
It feels as though my career choices are being dictated by something minor that happened over ten years ago. I too was lied to and told it was minor, wouldn’t stay on my record long and that I wouldn’t ever need to disclose it on a job application.
I believe in certain circumstances a caution should be removed, I was 40 when I received mine. I gave birth to my two boys quite close together going through a tough time with the children’s father, we got into a argument after me ringing the police and not saying anything the police arrived explained what happened and they arrested me. They left my two small babies with their dad who was drunk at the time, I was given the caution not knowing what it really meant accepted it just to get home. Me and my partner are still together it turned out I was suffering from postnatal depression. I am now at university in my second year of Mental Health Nursing, my caution shows up every time I apply for a job or university etc.
I believe cautions are easily handed out and not explained correctly the implications in accepting them. If Id known now the effect I would have opted in going to court, at least I could have had a chance.
i had a car accident 2years ago which was not my fault. But it was quite serious. i nearly died. when the police interviewed me i was told by my solicitor to say maybe it was my fault otherwise i would end up in court. i was charged with carlessness driving but given a AA course to do. Now i have recieved an offer in a school but i am scared this will come up in the crb check and i will be rejected.
I have a child and all i want to do is build a future for him..
Its extremely unfair that we get cohersed into saying something as the police suggest its better not to take it to court. how unfair is that. no one was hurt in the accident apart from me.
Back in 2007 when I was at the minor age of 13 I understand now that I got myself into a ‘bad group’. I was hanging around near shops, swearing, smoking, drinking and begining to take interest in sexually behaviour. All my friends at the time 13-14 were experiencing sexual behaviour but not me such as yet. I began to misbehave at school in lessons,playground,verbally abusing the teachers and skipping lessons that never thought my interest. I thought at the time I was ‘cool’. However I did become very popular and received a lot of male attention. I always remember how desperate and vile they were through the ‘things’ they would say. But hey, I suppose that’s what teenagers are meant to do, enjoy your teenage years at its best’ they say’.
One night mid september I think. I am playing out with 2 male friend and my best friend Natalie (at the time). Me and Natalie were ‘dared’ to ‘hit’ the girl walking infront of us. As the stupid idiot I was, I did. Then so did Natalie. Writing this makes me sick to my stomach how I could of even thought to do anything like that! But I was young and dumb. I thought I was once again ‘cool’. The girl did the right thing and pressed charges. I had a police home visit of just a one to one. Then I had to ‘answer bail’ I was never arrested for this as when the police man came to my address he saw how shook up I were and the physical state I was in too. I was told a date to attend an interview and so I did. I couldn’t of appologised more in the interview repetitive of the sorry’s.
* I was cautioned with Battery.
Little did I know, my alleged victim attended the same school.
You know what schools like, word got about.
Every one knew what had happened and teachers got a sniff. I was dragged into headmistresses office twice a day for attemp approach on this specific student. It was all a lie. I was embarrassed if I little as heard her name. I was very very ashamed on what I did!. I hated going to school! It resulted in a night mare. Eventually I skipped almost every lesson with my (at the time) best friend Louis. We used to just sit right at the top of the main centre building (tallest) on some steps, drawing random pictures of cartoons on an old brick wall which was the very top floor with a ‘no exit’ sign on show. I was given cautions from student support teachers and simply ignored them. My parents at the time knew nothing of this. I was eventually permanently excluded leading me into a behaviour school. At this stage in my life I was experiencing sexually activity. I attented the new behaviour school for 6 weeks (6week programme) a boy called Jimmy asked me out. I said yes. This was on 21/09/2007.
As I talk, at my side of the world ‘uk’ the date is 13/02/2013. I am currently studying at College hoping to apply for University in 2014 to study a pyschology degree. Not to forget the previous 4years I studying different subjects such as health and social care. I qaulified with destinction at level one and two in BTEC diploma. I have tried to apply for care work but having such a threatening offence on my crb I am instantly refused as they need a clean crb check. This has knocked me back so many levels in confidence, education, work and status. Its like a black print haunting me!
Fortunatly I am head strong and carried on.
I am still with Jimmy. Almost 6 years my sole mate xxx
I just thought ide share a little about me and my haunting caution that will forever stay with me and pull me back from my greatest ambitions. I just wish they were a debate about this and a right to win back a clean crb!
Hi my name is Jane last year I recive a police cation for theft. I went to Argos to exchange something I bought and someone fogethe a wallet at the counter and I picked it by mistake because it was the same colour of mine, 2 days after I have the police on my door and I was arrested . I just got a place to study for a nurse degree , I was asked to des closed anything which I did before started. So after one months of been there , got my loan and burssery I was told they would terminated my offer because of that cation…..my life is destruid by it, left my Job, spend a lot of money on books and a computer.
We should stop cautions being shown on CRB checks. I have had all my cautions for smoking weed over ten years ago and was told the same by the officer at the time that a caution was nothing and wouldn’t show on my CRB, the duty sol wasn’t available and if I didn’t take the caution i’d end up in court with a possible maximum sentence. I didn’t want my parents to know that I had been smoking weed so took the cautions not knowing that all the above is the exact opposite if what happens. Now every job I apply for apart from shop-work or factory work I need a CRB check and guess what doesn’t (sarcasm) show up? My cautions all the time, employers aren’t bothered about my conviction for drink driving that I got because I’d pulled my bike out onto my mothers privately owned driveway (not public road and keys weren’t in ignition and had no intention of driving, I was purely showing my mates), as I can’t legally drive due to health reasons, just these cautions which I was told didn’t matter. The only reason I took the drink driving charge was because I had to open the financial institution which the officers used themselves before 9am and it was 2am when I was arrested.
I just done a year at Uni and have previous experience in financial services handling finances of 1/4 million on a daily basis including savings, mortgages and was the main point of contact for the officers who arrested me to contact in case there was an emergency at the financial institution I worked at outside of opening hours, and I can’t get a job because of the cautions from over 10yr ago. These cautions for at least minor offences should be wiped clean from the CRB NOT unspent and still on your CRB check.